Cas, even though it doesn't appear they offer the upgrades often from SJ, they do have really great rates on Victory, especially in the Fall of 09. Destiny has past pax rates on the August 10, 24 and 31, 2008 sailings. There are a few dates where the past pax benefits help on Victory as well. Nov 9th is a good example, although the starting everybody rate is the same rate as the past guest rate, the everybody rate is for Cat 1A and past guests get a 4A for the same price. I didn't check all the dates but it does appear they do offer benefits on some dates for past pax.