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Old 07-20-2010, 04:57 AM
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Sorry but this could and has happened in many mainland US cities as well. St. Thomas or Houston (Many others too)...not much difference .

My problem with traveling outside my homeland USA is I am stripped of all my defenses and cannot fight back if need be.

I am ex-military and 30 years law enforcement and am encouraged each time a law abiding citizen is able to protect himself.
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and what would the form of defense be? I dont buy that idea one bit.
Remember the group that was robbed at gun point while on an excursion? a retired marine was on that excursion with his wife, after it was over one gun man was dead and one was running for his life.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:26 AM
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Every situation is different and one cannot predict just how one would need to react but for me I like having the option to use my firearm. I know it would not be for everyone but for me I like having my gun handy.
In my civilian life I have never had to use it but the mere presence of it gives me great confidence.
When the bad guys are the only ones with weapons it is not very sporting is it?
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:54 AM
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Before we go into a gun rights debate, political posts are against the forum rules. Just a proactive reminder.

With this particular incident a firearm would have been of no use. The bullet that hit the little girl was from a distance.
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:40 AM
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In the Costa Rica incident referred to, the former Marine was able to get a choke hold and kill the robber because it was a close quarters combat scenario. The guy got too close to the victims and paid for it with his life. As I recall they had boarded the tour bus and were in the aisle. Bad planning.

However, it is important to note that if that old Marine had failed he could have caused the robber to start shooting - either out of anger or panic - and tourists could have died. Frankly he took a huge risk with other people's lives.

It bothers me that I still see media reports making the St. Thomas murder a cruise-related crime.
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I think it was a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time instead of murder. Better described as a homicide by accident. Of course the media is going to report it in the way that gets the most sensationalism. They rarely ever get the facts straight when reporting about things like this.

No doubt these thugs are out of control. I've read they are going to crack down on it. They should have done that before it got so out of hand.
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Old 07-23-2010, 04:40 AM
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Sorry, I slide 'aside' there for a moment.

You are right; in this case nothing being done on that bus could have prevented this.

Most significant point about this particular case is that this could happen in most any mainland US City and has.

And the media spinning it to hype the cruise angle is very misleading, and what is sad there will be many folks who have never cruised will read those stories and miss out.
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