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Old 05-12-2008, 01:02 PM
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Are there any non-smoking ships in Carnival's fleet? My only dismay with cruising is running the smoking gauntlets on the ship.
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Not anymore. The Paradise was marketed as no-smoking when this ship was first was introduced, but that changed when the ship was moved to the west coast. As I recall, the reason given my Carnival was that since it was their only ship on the west coast, it had to allow smokers too. Personally I think it was a convenient way to retire the concept without admitting defeat.

All of their ships are now "smoking".
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Old 05-12-2008, 01:24 PM
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Are there any non-smoking ships in Carnival's fleet? My only dismay with cruising is running the smoking gauntlets on the ship.
Keep to the port side, coming and going and you'll be in the no smoking area always, well except in the casino and some lounges.

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Not anymore. The Paradise was marketed as no-smoking when this ship was first was introduced, but that changed when the ship was moved to the west coast. As I recall, the reason given my Carnival was that since it was their only ship on the west coast, it had to allow smokers too. Personally I think it was a convenient way to retire the concept without admitting defeat.

All of their ships are now "smoking".
It was known that revenue was down on the ship. Nonsmokers tend to not be as big of drinkers and gamblers. So therefore they weren't staying up all night long spending money in the casino and bars. Which reflected in revenue and also lost gratuities which made for unhappy crew.
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I was told that the bigger problem was that Carnival, like every cruise line, thrives on groups, and in most groups, there's at least one smoker. This seems to have turned groups to other cruise ships and the Paradise's group business was way lower than Carnival's other ships, keeping occupancy lower than the other ships.

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Old 05-12-2008, 02:53 PM
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So let's see...

Fewer bar sales meaning bartenders and waiters were making less money.

Less casino action meaning the casino vendor (and Carnival) was seeing less profits there.

Group sales were taking a beating.

This all sounds like "hmm, bad idea". I remember the big media splash Carnival made with the Paradise. They made a big deal of it whenever passengers who violated the policy were kicked off the ship. I guess the biggest example was when they booted a newlywed couple on their honeymoon before the ship left Miami.

But in the end, money talks. It can't sing or dance and it can't walk.
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Personally, I really liked the non-smoking Paradise.
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I remember the big media splash Carnival made with the Paradise.
Carnival even touted the fact that no workers building the ship were allowed to smoke during the process. They were serious about it.

The Paradise used to fly a flag of a cigarette in a circle with a line through it.

Too bad it didn't work out better.

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Old 05-12-2008, 03:34 PM
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Wasn't Renaissance smoke-free on all their ships?
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I believe they were.
 
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