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billybuzzy 03-15-2013 06:00 AM

More Problems For Carnival
 
Problems are not over for Carnival. The Press is now reporting that the Carnival Legend is slowly returning to the Port of Tampa after having problems with its azipod propulsion system. She is returning under her own power , all emergency and hotel systems are working.

BillyBuzzy

Dave 03-15-2013 09:01 AM

Carnival won't do it but I recall from my Marine air wing days that when problems started happening with regularity we had a standdown and secured flight operations, held safety meetings, and did nose-to-tail inspections of each airplane.

billybuzzy 03-15-2013 10:37 AM

Dave---The USAF pretty much follows the same sort of Flight Safety Review and, like the USMC, stands down as appropriate. Carnival claims to be implementing inspections but inspections and/or repairs/modifications are already too late.......the Corporate reputation has been affected.....I am sure that a fly on the wall is hearing some interesting things at Corporate Headquarters!!!

BillyBuzzy

Dave 03-15-2013 11:25 AM

Carnival executives were quite vague and even evasive in the quarterly earnings telecon this morning, when they were asked about funding for maintenance. During the Q & A session, financial analysts repeatedly tried to get Carnival to say how much they are spending on maintenance and safety. The Carnival people refused to break down the costs, giving only figures that included refurbishment costs. The Carnival financial people claimed they didn't have the details to address the question.

They reported that maintenance capital expenditures are running around $700 to $750 million, adding that as the average fleet age is getting older, ships need more maintenance. Here is one quote: "We forecast it to be in $800-plus million including refurbishments."

PC GUY 03-15-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by billybuzzy (Post 297857)
Dave---The USAF pretty much follows the same sort of Flight Safety Review and, like the USMC, stands down as appropriate. Carnival claims to be implementing inspections but inspections and/or repairs/modifications are already too late.......the Corporate reputation has been affected.....I am sure that a fly on the wall is hearing some interesting things at Corporate Headquarters!!!

BillyBuzzy

If they are going to sack the CEO and senior management, then they should take a page out of Groupon's playbook. The severance package should be a voucher exchangeable for a 7 day cruise for up to 4 people in an inside cabin.

Dave 03-15-2013 03:14 PM

The nuclear power plant I worked at for 25+ years has had a history of highs and lows. The Browns Ferry fire was the worst nuclear incident in the U.S. until Three Mile Island. All three units were shut down the by the NRC in 1985 for design problems and management failures. We eventually recovered two units and became a top plant in the world ranking during the 1990s and early 2000s. Then the remaining unit was brought back on-line after a complete overhaul and pervasive problems started showing up.

We were getting complacent and had our minds more focused on keeping the megawatts online than in fixing things. Maintenance was deferred through legal means but we were just putting off problems. Quick fixes became the norm. It finally caught up to the plant right after I retired when the NRC put Unit 1 in what we call 'column four space'. Column one is regular NRC oversight, the plant is doing fine. It goes down from there to Column five, which is shutdown by order of the NRC. Column four means intense regulatory scrutiny and a huge recovery plan. I worked as part of the recovery team last year. Quite a massive undertaking where the plant had hundreds of us 'experts' under contracts worth millions of dollars, doing investigations and inspections, audits, observations, reviews of old records, corrective action reports ,etc. What we recommended was essentially taken as 'you will do this'. Now the plant says they are ready to exit Column four and the NRC will be officially reviewing everything we did and what the plant has done to 'change the culture'. This will take another several months.

I am beginning to think Carnival might be in their own 'column four space'.

Boneman 03-17-2013 09:45 PM

Dave,

Do you think these things could be happening intentionally?

Dave 03-18-2013 07:08 AM

There is no conspiracy to destroy Carnival. If things were happening on one ship fairly often then the investigation might look for a disgruntled employee. But is there a ring of saboteurs spread out over the fleet? No.

People tend to look at recent events and forget what happened in the past. A few years ago Celebrity Cruises had propulsion problems almost monthly, and some times weekly, on all of their ships which used azipod propulsion. It went on for over a year. Dozens of cruises were affected in all.

In 2006 (7 years ago this coming Saturday) , Star Princess had a terrible fire that heavily damaged the port side of the ship and caused a guest to die from a stress-induced heart attack.

All of the Carnival incidents are unique. If there is a common cause it lies in something as mundane as a maintenance procedure or process that is used by every ship, or in a lack of rigor in the quality assurance processes at the shipyard for the newer ships. It is easy to point fingers at Fincantieri shipyard, but then you also need to consider Fincantieri has also built many of the Holland America and Princess ships currently in service. The latter cruise lines have had few to no problems. And despite what some reports say, not all Carnival ships were built by Fincantieri. The Fantasy and Spirit classes were built in Finland by Kvaerner.

Jim C. 03-18-2013 07:25 AM

I'm sure the maintenance schedule will get revamped for sure. Cahill himself said the fuel line that caused the Triumph fire was in month 5 of the 6 months between inspections. Who wants to bet the new interval is like 3 months?

Airplanes don't fly for maintenance issues all the time, but no one reports it. The Dream could have sailed, but Carnival did the right thing by not risking sailing without the emergency generator. Now they are being barbecued in the media for it.. Its not right.

Dave 03-18-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim C. (Post 297894)
The Dream could have sailed, but Carnival did the right thing by not risking sailing without the emergency generator. Now they are being barbecued in the media for it.. Its not right.

Definitely a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If they had sailed I have absolutely no doubt the media would have been praying for the main engines to conk out hundreds of miles out to sea.


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