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Old 01-13-2010, 12:10 PM
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I think I would consider this discrimation. If the Cougar's want to play with their Cubs let them. There have been many, many other themes including Gay, Christian, Latino Singles, dieting with a celebrity, etc. If the mommies, nannies and grannies want to go away and play let them. They aren't harming anyone. They have worked hard working, raising families, supporting their communities and whatever. They are all of adult age, life is short. Let them have a good time. How about a "No Judgement Zone" cruise?
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Carnival ruined their image when they 86'd the topless decks... Not to mention how the move decimated the sales of binoculars in the gift shops.
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:44 PM
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I think the difference is this wasn't a theme cruise where the whole ship was chartered, as is the case for other group cruises.

Obviously the intent with the cougar cruise was sex-based. How many young men not with this group were "hit on"? I'll bet more than a few. Before anyone says that happens all the time, yes it does, but not at the levels you'd expect to see with a group of 300 like-minded people aboard, trying to pack as much "action" into a 3-night cruise as possible.

I don't see it as discrimination. Carnival isn't saying older women wanting to prowl for young men can't cruise with them, it's just not going to sell group space to that travel company.
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I think I would consider this discrimation. If the Cougar's want to play with their Cubs let them. There have been many, many other themes including Gay, Christian, Latino Singles, dieting with a celebrity, etc. If the mommies, nannies and grannies want to go away and play let them. They aren't harming anyone. They have worked hard working, raising families, supporting their communities and whatever. They are all of adult age, life is short. Let them have a good time. How about a "No Judgement Zone" cruise?
I agree w what he said..
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Back in the 80's....Carnival was a booze and booty cruise.

Carnival clearly wised up and saw the future was "families" and changed their product to meet that demand.

This simply stays within that "family friendly" range.

And "groups" being denied happens on all cruise lines...

NCL banned a group of "bears"....

RCCL caught all kinds of flack about the gay porn films being made in the cabin across the hallway from a family.

Other "groups" including Gay, Christian, Latino Singles, dieting with a celebrity, etc. are welcome ... but these are now considered "mainstream".

Just like the nude cruisers...they are always welcome to charter a ship.
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Dave and LHP are spot on with this. The problem is having a large group with a pretty clear agenda impacting the experience of others on the cruise. Carnival has the right to make business decisions concerning group space allotments.

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Old 01-13-2010, 11:04 PM
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Kind of like encouraging a group cruise for the North American Man/Boy Love Association during Spring break.
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I cruised in October with a group called "Girlfriends Cruise" and there were other Girlfriend group. However, no one told me about the 300 plus gay men's group that was also on the cruise. I was uncomfortably suprised! This ship was not chartered as a gay cruise. I don't consider this group "family friendly!" I am not uncomfortable seeing an older woman kissing a younger man but I am uncomfortable with seeing an older man kissing a younger man! Let the Cougars have their rights too!
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Let's distinguish the difference in groups you may see on any cruise line. Any travel agency can come up with an idea, block out group space, and promote the cruise. IE: Superbowl cruise, Halloween cruise, Girl's Get-away, etc. They could also be doing this on the behalf of a client coming to them wanting to organize a group. In addition, any individual can charter out the ship and promote a special cruise; such as Rosie O'Donnell has done. While the cruise line will have certain guidelines for groups and charters; they would be hard pressed and face legalities if they turned down any group or charter based on race, religion, etc.

There is a huge difference between the above groups, and a group that the cruise line actually enters into a marketing partnership. IE: Cougars cruise, Nickelodean, Sixthman group, etc. These groups the cruise line is actually endorsing, putting their name behind the product and using their marketing dollars to help promote it.

The fact that Carnival pulled away from the Cougars cruise simply means they don't want to endorse it. It doesn't mean you won't see these, or other special types of cruises on their ships that have been organized by agencies or individuals.
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There are some groups I prefer not to cruise with.

So for the past two years, I have kept a calendar of "group cruises'. There are several websites that you can go and check WHO will be sailing with you.

They are not 100%...but will assist you in making an informed decision about your cruise.

Here are a couple of them:

http://www.shoretrips.com/comm...2.asp?grpsrch=GRPNAM

This one is kinda out of date...but you can get a name or two...

http://unofficialcarnivalwiki.com/wiki/Group_Cruises


OR... you can simply GOOGLE your ship's name and date and see if any web ads for a group cruise pops up.

We actually delayed a cruise by ONE cruising in 2008. We were set to cruise on the Imagination and the Motley Crue were going to be onboard...so we cruised one week later.

Nothing again Motley Crue .... but I knew the clientelle it would draw (smokers, rowdy, partiers) and I just did not want that.

Also...you can use these lists to find Theme cruises that you DO want to go on!!

 
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