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Jay Herring 05-01-2009 07:52 PM

Carnival, Royal Caribbean, and a few other cruise lines have temporarily suspended all of their Mexican ports of call, even though none of these ports have reported any cases of swine flu. Some cruises on the West Coast have substituted San Diego in place of the Mexican ports. Never mind that swine flu actually has been reported in San Diego.

Swine Flu is just like the Norovirus on Cruise Ships: Exaggerated. The Norovirus is a 48 hour bug that gives you diarrhea and makes you vomit. Of course it’s no fun if you catch it, but it always sounds so bad to hear that a “Cruise Ship is Infected.” The truth is that people catch the Norovirus everyday on land, but most of the cases on land go unnoticed or unreported.

But an outbreak on a cruise ship never goes unreported. The ship’s confined environment makes it easy to track the number of infected people and the ship’s infirmary is actually required to keep a running total of passengers who complain of diarrhea or vomiting. When 3% of the onboard population report the same ailment, it’s considered an “outbreak” and the Center for Disease Control (CDC) is notified. Once it’s reported to the CDC, the media pounces.

I worked on board the Holiday, a Carnival ship, when it was infected with the Norovirus for three consecutive cruises. I didn’t get sick, but I knew lots of crewmembers that did. To contain the disease, sick crewmembers were quarantined to their cabins while the healthy ones conducted a massive ship wide sanitation program. Every hand rail, every elevator button, every door handle, and anything else that people touched was wiped down with a bleach-based disinfectant. Individual casino chips were cleaned by hand. And on that last cruise, we had it contained. At its worst, 6% of the crew and 8% of passengers were infected which was less than 200 people total. And yet, news vans were parked at the pier to interview the passengers as they left the ship. And the news stories they ran made the "outbreak"sound much worse than it really was.

And that, is what has happened with Swine flu – it sounds worse than it really is. Yes people have died from it, and that’s awful, but flu deaths are nothing new. Every year, 36,000 people die from the flu – not swine flu, just regular flu that almost everyone has or will catch at some point in their life.

36,000 is a big number, but let’s put it in perspective:

306,000,000 – Population of the U.S.
435,000 – deaths from Tobacco
365,000 – deaths from poor diet and physical inactivity
85,000 – deaths from Alcohol
43,000 – deaths from car accidents
36,000 – deaths from the flu

Source: and

That’s one hundredth of one percent of the U.S. population that dies from the flu, whether it’s swine flu or regular flu.

Even so, I think canceling the Mexican ports is a smart business move by the cruise lines. And I bet the on board housekeeping departments are doing extra shifts with their bleach rags to prevent an outbreak. If swine flu were to infect a ship, it would likely spread quickly and probably lead to a cancelled sailing while the ship was disinfected. And with all the recent hype, the cruise line would be sure to get a lot of bad publicity. This way, at least they can say they tried.

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Dwayne 05-01-2009 10:43 PM

Hi Jay Herring, and Welcome to Cruise-Chat!

Thanks for an inside perspective on this. I agree these so called virus outbreaks are way over blown by an over zealous news media wanting a story. This circumstance is a little different though than the common Norovirus. This was a case of controlling a new strain of flu possibly being brought in to U.S. by cruise ships visiting Mexico. While I agree this situation is being over exaggerated, I think the proper steps were taken by the cruise lines at this time. My thinking is after further evaluation of this new strain of flu, the ships will return to visiting the ports in a short while.


LHP 05-03-2009 08:33 AM

Yes, Carnival did exactly what they should have done. It was the only responsible decision.

And yes, the CDC is overreacting.....because that is how you stop a mild strain of this flu from becoming a SuperBug that kills millions of people.

Once it becomes a Super Bug ... it is to late.

This Swine Flu is not like Norowalk at all. Norowalk will not mutate into a Super Bug

Yes, 30,000+ die from the flu every year but they are the physically weak and elderly and this is just the illness that puts that last nail in their coffin.

This flu strain (even as mild as it is) is killing otherwise healthy 30 and 40 year olds.

Over zealous actions now will "hopefully" insure that this does not mutate to a Super Bug AND does not mutate to birds.

Pigs and people we can control....but it is mutates to birds.... (especially if it mutates to the killer strain).... we really have a battle of life and death on our hands.

I (personally) am glad that the CDC is overreacting.....because I would rather squash a mild strain than battle a Super Bug.

Dwayne 05-03-2009 07:38 PM

I agree LHP. I hope they can get this squashed soon. I've heard so much about it I think it is embedded in my subconscious. I found myself trying not to stand too close to people tonight in Wal*Mart, and we don't have any reported cases in our county yet. We have visitors from all over the country though, and of course I am a germ-a-phobe anyway.


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