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Old 11-17-2006, 09:01 AM
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Great to see this thread taking shape. Folks, teh best thing we can do right now is make a contribution to one of the foundations already set up. That contribution will maintain websites on SSUS and aid in getting the needed exposure/publicity. Another more important thing to do would be to write your senators and congressman about forming a suitable tax policy/credit/etc to encourage the restoration of the ship. This needs to be done before January though...remember Jimmy Carter sold off the Sequoia! Seriously, if NCL could gain tax credits for SSUS restoration, and other incentives, the project could actually become viable.
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Old 11-17-2006, 03:50 PM
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Great to see this thread taking shape. Folks, teh best thing we can do right now is make a contribution to one of the foundations already set up. That contribution will maintain websites on SSUS and aid in getting the needed exposure/publicity. Another more important thing to do would be to write your senators and congressman about forming a suitable tax policy/credit/etc to encourage the restoration of the ship. This needs to be done before January though...remember Jimmy Carter sold off the Sequoia! Seriously, if NCL could gain tax credits for SSUS restoration, and other incentives, the project could actually become viable.
I believe it will be easier to get those tax incentives once the SSUS is designated a historic place. Shucks, as tight as NCL is, a tax incentive of some sort would probably mean they could refurbish it, and put it back into service.

From NCL's third quarter earnings statement,

The third quarter of 2006 represents the first full quarter with three vessels deployed in our inter-island Hawaii cruises. While the Company expects the stabilization of this fleet to ultimately result in cost efficiencies, the significant increase in capacity deployed in our inter-island Hawaii cruises represented a larger portion of our fleet in the third quarter of 2006 than in 2005, and this has therefore resulted in higher payroll and related expenses.
“Our rapid expansion in inter-island Hawaii cruises and increased fuel costs continue to impact our results,” said Colin Veitch, president and chief executive officer of NCL Corporation Ltd. “In the near term, we still have a challenging road ahead of us in Hawaii, but with the stabilization of our NCL America fleet we expect to achieve operating improvements in 2007. We are in the process of implementing measures to reduce crew turnover and accelerate the rate at which product delivery scores have been improving.

What's promising is that NCL posted a third quarter profit of $49 million. That's with three NCLA ships in operation with all their higher expenses. That's reduced the red ink for the year down to losing almost $15 million. A good fourth quarter might change this year's red ink into black. So it isn't all doom and gloom at NCL this year. But I wish I could say the same for NCLA. Let's hope Colin's plans for NCLA work.

Then maybe, NCL will allow NCLA to expand once more. When and if that occurs, the SSUS will be an asset instead of a corporate liability.
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:25 PM
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What is needed is a campaign similiar to what Lee Iacocca started to restore the Statue of Liberty. This ship, carrying our country's name, should be given the attention it deserves and corporate sponsorship should be developed to incur proper funding for her restoration and preservation.
This sounds like a reasonable approach... however, it's a matter of identifying the national figure of influence to get the movement started. Any multi-billionaire candidates to get the ball rolling??

Donald Trump? (ugggh... he'd want SSUS as a big casino and rename it "Trump US" or something like that)

Bill Gates??

Who??
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Richard Branson the guy has more money than he knows what to do with he made his OWN space program.
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Richard Branson the guy has more money than he knows what to do with he made his OWN space program.
But is Richard Branson even interested in saving the SSUS? I haven't heard or read one iota that he is, or was.
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I agree with Ron... I don't think Richard Branson would be interested in the SSUS... heck, he's even the guy that funded the high-speed catamaran that "broke" the SSUS transatlatic record for a "Passenger Ship" and now technically holds the Blue Riband/Hales Trophy. (Though whether his "ship" was a "passenger vessel" in the vein of what the Blue Riband is about is open to question.)

Given that I think most would agree that the ideal situation would be "rescue" or "preservation" of the SSUS as part of American maritime heritage, I'd think an American billionaire would be optimal. However, ANY multi-billionaire from ANY country committed to the SSUS rescue would be fine with me!!! (...just don't think it would be Branson)
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I beleive that preservation is the only true answer.
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I beleive that preservation is the only true answer.
Preservation isn't cheap! Look at other US ship preservation efforts. Just about all the battleships on display around the country have sunk next to their piers, even the aircraft carrier Intrepid is stuck in Hudson River mud in New York. Preserved ships require drydock more often than every 20 to 25 years, for optima health. Even the stuck in the mud Intrepid, which is barely profitable in New York with almost a million visitors per year to its museum can't get to drydock as often as it should.
Because they don't go to drydock as often as they should, the costs for each drydock is significantly higher when they do.
Taking these ships to drydock is so expensive, Texas is looking at placing the Battleship Texas permanently into drydock, by building a $20 million drydock for it. It's next overhaul in drydock will require another $20 million, or $40 million total. Other states will be facing similar decisions soon.
The Battleship Texas hasn't made $20 million in approximately 60 years, it's always a drain on the Texas Parks Department, whose budget today is just $20 million per year.

What has worked in the past, is what Long Beach has done with the Queen Mary. Converting the ship into a Convention Center Hotel, where those attending conventions at the Center keep the Queen Mary's cabins fully booked. Even it doesn't go to drydock often enough.

I believe the best way to keep these grand old passenger ships in good order is to keep them in operation as a passenger ship. This also requires keeping them updated with technology so they can stay competitive. When the ship can't make a profit anymore, it's time to scrap them.
A quick death is better than a prolonged and slow one.
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Hi Ron,
If Long Beach had left the ship intact, the Queen Mary would have made even more money than it is right now, due in part to the fact that the developers in 1968-1971 remove so much of the ship's powertrain and lower decks.

The Big U has great potential to become a 5-Star Hotel ship and museum. If the SS Norway is saved, then the Big U is next on the list.

Another ship that I love to see get saved is the MV Augustus because of it close association to the Andrea Doria. If someone wants an idea of what the Andrea Doria looked like in its heyday, the Augustus is the closest ship that the world will ever get to that ship.

Too many good ships have gone to the scrapyard in recent years. It's time to turn back the clock and spear a few ships from that dreadful fate. There is still time to save the following:

SS Norway
SS United States
SS Independence
MV Augustus

There might be other ships as well. I didn't add the QE2 because it's not in any danger at this time. That's all for now.
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SS Independence has been renamed Oceanic and is now owned by some company operating inside NCL Americas headquarters, weather or not its 2 be broken up or not i dont no. 4 fuller details go 2 www.ssmaritime.com/newsupdates.htm
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