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Old 11-29-2006, 01:47 AM
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lbcringleader,

the ship was renamed in October, 2005 (!) already. Apparently, Reuben Goossens did not learn about it until a few weeks ago and suggested she had just been renamed. I told him that this was "old news". So actually nothing has changed for the "Independence" since over a year ago.

Of course that doesn't make it more likely that she has a bright future ahead of her, but it certainly doesn't mean that a sale for scrap is imminent, either.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:38 AM
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...and recently (in response to Reuben's letters), Colin Veitch has been denying plans to scrap Oceanic/Independence (at least for now)... but is towing the party line of "investigating possible uses for the ship"... same as SSUS.
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Old 11-29-2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by SSUS_NJ:
...and recently (in response to Reuben's letters), Colin Veitch has been denying plans to scrap Oceanic/Independence (at least for now)... but is towing the party line of "investigating possible uses for the ship"... same as SSUS.
That's not what Mr. Veitch wrote. Here's the quote,
"Mr. Veitch’s reply was as follows:

“Dear Sir,
Thank you for your inquiry. I do not recall saying she could possibly be scrapped, though I did say that her condition had deteriorated because of the less than satisfactory lay-up when she was first withdrawn from her prior owner’s service. We do have plans for the ship and therefore are not in a position to respond to your request for an asking price.

Sincerely, Colin Veitch”

All he said was that they had plans for the SS Independence, but he never stated what the plans were. He did not deny stating the condition of the ship, he denied stating anything about scraping.

Why do some always change statements, unintentional as it may be, from others to fit their causes?
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Perhaps if Colin wasn't vague to the point of near-deception, no one would have to "fill in the blanks".

No matter. Come next monday he's gonna find out what's what. I have a feeling after the Indian Supreme Court tears NCL/Star a new one, they'll be more open to new management and deployment ideas towards their laid-up fleet - lest they lose any more money on ill-fated attempts to "get rid" of their legacy vessels.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:12 PM
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i dont think so.
1. if ss norway is ordered off the beach Star or whoeva ownership is transfered 2 will say that she cannot be removed from the beach or some dodgy exuse and if she does get off the beach the same stuff will hapen and shell mysteriously 'sink' or get taken 2 another breakers yard.
2. SS United States will go 2 asia 4 repairs or use as a Casino, Hotel or Ferry or something and tragicly sink or something. If she makes it 2 asia she will remain layed up 4 a while maybe and be sent 2 the breakers yard. the world WILL fall 4 it, they did with the Norway. This time ownership could be made out 2 another company and thell do the dirty work.
3. SS Independence is and has been a background exuse and i feel that she will suffer the same fate or be sold again.
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Old 12-01-2006, 04:31 AM
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For some reason that I am unable to explain, I am somewhat optimistic about SS United States. Not necessarily as a sea-going ship again, but as a static fixture somewhere.

I noticed that NCL offers lots of cruises from NYC. Suppose, as has been postulated numerous times, SS US is berthed alongside Intrepid, just a few piers away from the ones NCL uses. NCL could then build up the interiors and convert her to a hotel/museum (also not an original thought). The hotel portion can then be used for pre- and post-cruise packages for those sailing with NCL...perhaps even offering check-in... similar to what Carnival does with Queen Mary.

This would also be consistent with NCL's repeated announcements about how they will soon have the youngest fleet in the business. If the ship isn't sailing, I suppose she's not part of the fleet.

Just a few thoughts, for what it's worth...
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That's not what Mr. Veitch wrote. Here's the quote,
"Mr. Veitch’s reply was as follows:

“Dear Sir,
Thank you for your inquiry. I do not recall saying she could possibly be scrapped, though I did say that her condition had deteriorated because of the less than satisfactory lay-up when she was first withdrawn from her prior owner’s service. We do have plans for the ship and therefore are not in a position to respond to your request for an asking price.

Sincerely, Colin Veitch”

Why do some always change statements, unintentional as it may be, from others to fit their causes?
Note the words in bold. As I said in my post, Mr. Veitch denied others claims that he had previously said the Independence would be scrapped. I didn't change his statement. Quit splitting hairs, Ron!!!!!
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Old 12-01-2006, 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Ron Clark:

That's not what Mr. Veitch wrote. Here's the quote,
"Mr. Veitch’s reply was as follows:

“Dear Sir,
Thank you for your inquiry. I do not recall saying she could possibly be scrapped, though I did say that her condition had deteriorated because of the less than satisfactory lay-up when she was first withdrawn from her prior owner’s service. We do have plans for the ship and therefore are not in a position to respond to your request for an asking price.

Sincerely, Colin Veitch”

Why do some always change statements, unintentional as it may be, from others to fit their causes?
Note the words in bold. As I said in my post, Mr. Veitch denied others claims that he had previously said the Independence would be scrapped. I didn't change his statement. Quit splitting hairs, Ron!!!!!


Here's what you wrote again:

...and recently (in response to Reuben's letters), Colin Veitch has been denying plans to scrap Oceanic/Independence (at least for now)... but is towing the party line of "investigating possible uses for the ship"... same as SSUS.

He didn't deny plans to scap the Independence, he denied ever saying so. There is a difference between dening something, and denying he never said something. Also, phrases like

"towing the party line"

gave me the impression you were exaggerating what he said. Sorry if I over reacted, but that was the impression I got.
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Old 12-01-2006, 06:54 PM
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For some reason that I am unable to explain, I am somewhat optimistic about SS United States. Not necessarily as a sea-going ship again, but as a static fixture somewhere.

I noticed that NCL offers lots of cruises from NYC. Suppose, as has been postulated numerous times, SS US is berthed alongside Intrepid, just a few piers away from the ones NCL uses. NCL could then build up the interiors and convert her to a hotel/museum (also not an original thought). The hotel portion can then be used for pre- and post-cruise packages for those sailing with NCL...perhaps even offering check-in... similar to what Carnival does with Queen Mary.

This would also be consistent with NCL's repeated announcements about how they will soon have the youngest fleet in the business. If the ship isn't sailing, I suppose she's not part of the fleet.

Just a few thoughts, for what it's worth...
You might be correct, you might be wrong. I don't know. But since we all have opinions, here's mine.

I believe it will never become a hotel in New York. New York is full of hotels, and the last thing New York needs is another hotel. The Queen Mary works in Long Beach because at the time of her conversion Long Beach had a shortage of hotel rooms. Long Beach needed more hotel rooms for their Convention Center, which the Queen Mary sits next door to.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but one has to be realistic. For a SSUS conversion into a hotel to work, it must be placed at a locale that will be short of hotel rooms for a period of time. Rumors have been around for decades that the SSUS will be converted into a hotel. Nothing has come from them yet.

I believe the best option is to refurbish the SSUS as a cruise ship, and placing it back into service, where it could cruise directly between American cities without having to visit a nearby foreign port. New York City to Florida and back, without visiting the Bahamas is one possible route. Another possible route is up and down the West Coast, from Los Angeles to Seattle with stops in San Francisco and Portland. Golly, the SSUS at top speed would probably beat Amtrak on both coasts, and provide far better accommodations, giving travelers who do not wish to fly everywhere a better experience.
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Ron Clark, u r completely right. im wid u on that idea. lets raise support by emailing people
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