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Old 01-29-2007, 06:26 AM
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One theory floating around is that NCL acquired SSUS and Independence to establish a monopoly in the Hawaiian cruise market. By taking the only two US flagged hulls off the market, no one else could compete in the NCL America itineraries for at least as long as it would take to build a new US flagged vessel, which would be extremely unlikely, anyway.

If you buy into this theory, Independence was potentially a bigger threat to NCL America than SSUS, since Independence could be brought online much more quickly than SSUS. So to summarize, the theory is that NCL will hold on to the two ships indefinitely to keep them from being acquired by any potential competitor. The dockage and minimal maintenance would be a small price to pay to eliminate any threat of competition.

Who really knows what's really going on.

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Dan: In my eyes, the biggest mystery is why NCL bought Independence and entered into purchase agreement on SSUS in the first place, and still continue to pay for their layup and storage. They haven't placed the ships for sale. Could the profit from a future sale to the scrappers be enough to justify the current daily expenses? One day the mystery will unfold, or a bad business plan will be exposed. Hoping for the first, not the latter.

It would be nice to have a plan with potential investors in place when/if the opportunity arises and your ideas certainly would be feasible.
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:13 PM
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That theory is the only one that makes any sense for sure. Eliminating direct competition does have advantages.
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Old 01-29-2007, 04:55 PM
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One theory floating around is that NCL acquired SSUS and Independence to establish a monopoly in the Hawaiian cruise market. By taking the only two US flagged hulls off the market, no one else could compete in the NCL America itineraries for at least as long as it would take to build a new US flagged vessel, which would be extremely unlikely, anyway.

If you buy into this theory, Independence was potentially a bigger threat to NCL America than SSUS, since Independence could be brought online much more quickly than SSUS. So to summarize, the theory is that NCL will hold on to the two ships indefinitely to keep them from being acquired by any potential competitor. The dockage and minimal maintenance would be a small price to pay to eliminate any threat of competition.
NCL bought the SS Independence in a public auction, where every one who wanted could submit a public bid. No other cruisr line did, no other cruise line wanted her.

While it's true no other cruise line can use her because NCL owns her, my point is no other cruise line wanted her at the time. If other cruise lines wanted to buy her seriously, they could make NCL an offer they can't refuse. But they haven't.

The SS US was also bought, or leased, too. Other cruise lines could have offered more for her too. They could have offered decades ago, and haven't.

NCL has plans for both ships, although I have no idea what they are.
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If NCL wants the Big U to sail in unique destinations, that itinerary should be given to the MV Pride of America. The SS United States interiors can be rebuilt to match the elegance of the SS Nuiew Amsterdam of 1938, but with a 1940s-1950s twist. It can easily become a 5-Star hotel on the NYC Waterfront next to the USS Intrepid.
$400 Million is more than enough to make this dream a reality. What's so hard about that?
This idea can work. Lets have an email campaign to encourage the SS United States Foundation to organize a public/private partnership to buy and renovate the Big U into the maritime gem that was meant to be.
The Pride of America can't legally do the exclusive cruise itineraries that a refurbished SSUS can. The loophole that allows it to sail under the American flag specifically states it must sail mainly in Hawaii (more than half a year). Although the hull was started in an American shipyard, it was stretched and completed in Germany. The loophole that allows it to sail around Hawaii under the American flag, also prevents it from sailing to other locales; including the Gulf of Mexico (including American ports), the Caribbean Sea, Mexico, and Alaska. That eliminates many exclusive itineraries, but not all.

Whereas I agree the SSUS will make a fine hotel, it would be expensive to maintain as a hotel, much like the Queen Mary is for Long Beach. It would also mean major modifications will be made to her to allow her to fill so many different roles, that much of her charm will be lost doing so.
As I argued before, New York City already has plenty of hotel rooms, and building a new hotel will be far cheaper than restoring the SSUS for that purpose.
I still believe the best thing that can happen for the SSUS is for NCL to refurbish her into a cruise ship.
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I feel that the Big U would be better off as a floating 5-Star hotel and hotel academy, that could be a unit of Cornell University's Hotel School. That in itself would make the ship a viable business venture.

I no longer see the Big U sailing. NCL might as well had used the SS Independence and retreived the SS Monterrey(before it was scrapped) for that role. I can't see why it's too expensive to use the Big U as a hotel like the Queen Mary. I see a lot of money these days going into crazy projects that will never see a return on its investment. And restoring the Big U is considered crazy as a hotel?

We'll see what happens.
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I feel a viable option for the SS United States is accomidation for the 2012 or 2016 olympic games and this could be an inscentive and when her duty is over she could become a hotel or cruise ship or something viable. She might even get sponsored by the olympic comittee.
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I feel that the Big U would be better off as a floating 5-Star hotel and hotel academy, that could be a unit of Cornell University's Hotel School. That in itself would make the ship a viable business venture.

I no longer see the Big U sailing. NCL might as well had used the SS Independence and retreived the SS Monterrey(before it was scrapped) for that role. I can't see why it's too expensive to use the Big U as a hotel like the Queen Mary. I see a lot of money these days going into crazy projects that will never see a return on its investment. And restoring the Big U is considered crazy as a hotel?

We'll see what happens.
I'm not in disagreement, a hotel/casino remodeling is a possibility. It's just that I prefer seeing her sailing around the world to exotic locations as a cruise ship better.

If you check out the Queen Mary's history as a stationary hotel-museum, you'll discover much local "goverment" (City of Long Beach) money sunk into her over the years, and very little "private" money.
The reason much of the Queen Mary's interiors was removed was to make space for a museum, which was the reason the City of Long Beach bought her in the first place, and the sources for her funding. The hotel and convention center add ons were secondary reasons.
Maybe if the hotel operations was the primary goal, it would look more attractive to private investors. But I doubt it.
I don't think any university can find "private" funding for refurbishing a ship because a ship requires so much upkeep. A building on land is much cheaper to build and maintain.
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I feel a viable option for the SS United States is accomidation for the 2012 or 2016 olympic games and this could be an inscentive and when her duty is over she could become a hotel or cruise ship or something viable. She might even get sponsored by the olympic comittee.
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