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Old 09-26-2006, 08:11 AM
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I thought I'd start a topic on the beautiful SS United States. What are your thoughts on her/her fate? What can we do to save her?
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Old 09-26-2006, 12:39 PM
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I'm not sure what the SS US fate will be. NCLA owns her now, and has since April 14, 2003. Recently, Star Cruises/NCL CEO has been quoted as saying that the SS US will be NCLA's next project during the Pride of Hawaii christening.

Meanwhile, NCL is busy completing the last two 92,000 tons ships, and have ordered two larger "F3" 150,000 tons ships, with an option for a third.

NCLA's startup costs have been dragging NCL's profits like an anchor recently. I doubt NCLA will do anything to the SS US until NCLA starts making profits that warrants expansion of its operations.

These web sites are very good concerning all matters associated with the SS US.
http://www.ss-united-states.com/
http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/
http://www.ssunitedstates.org/

Here's a few links with statements/quotes attributed from NCL:
Dated April 14, 2003
http://www.ncl.com/news/pr/pr041403.htm
Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) announced today it has purchased the S/S United States, one of the country's most venerable ships built in the glory days of trans-Atlantic sea travel. NCL intends to convert the vessel to a state-of-the art, modern cruise ship and to add her to NCL's planned US flagged fleet. NCL is now evaluating options for use of the ship under US flag and determining the extent of renovations needed to convert her to a state-of-the-art, modern cruise ship that will appeal to today's vacationer. The ship is expected to offer mainland US itineraries where cruise products are not currently available. The refurbishment of the hull and superstructure will be done at US shipyards with the outfitting completed overseas.

Dated March 4, 2004
http://www.ssunitedstates.org/latestnews.htm
Excerpt:
"Recently, NCL sent a project team to Philadelphia to conduct an extensive technical review of the venerable ship. We would like to report that she is in good shape and we are taking very good care of her. We have also cataloged over a hundred boxes of blueprints that we received from the previous owners. Although not a complete set, the drawings will be of real help to our technical team with their work.
When we announced the purchase of the S/S United States in April last year, we talked about her potential to become a state-of-the-art modern cruise ship in our U.S. Flagged fleet. We also talked about the fact that the purchase and restoration of the vessel would be a long-term project as we focused on Project America and our work to restore a new U.S. flag operation to the cruise industry. We intend to do our part to return the U.S. maritime industry to the greatness it once enjoyed.

Dated July 31, 2004
http://www.ss-united-states.com/i2.html
Excerpt:
In a July 31, 2004 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer NCL's CEO, Colin Veitch, says he believes the SS UNITED STATES will be successful sailing on a east coast to west coast cruise route via the Panama Canal. Veitch says NCL is talking to ship yards about Big U refurbishment and that the ship could be sailing in six years.

Dated July 10, 2005 for August edition of Cruise Travel Magazine
http://www.ssunitedstatesconservancy...ervancyUpdate3
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"Once we have three ships [in the Project America fleet], we can have a look at other opportunities to grow the brand. The big one we have in mind is to rebuild the SS United States. If and when we can rebuild her, she would not be confined to any geographic area. That would be a far-ranging ship. We're in the midst of a technical evaluation to see what we could do with her. She was built in the 1950s, and there are lots of new rules, and we are doing a feasibility study on two grounds: What condition is she in, which appears to be rather good, and how can we meet today's construction rules and safety standards within the existing hull. We would not change the shape of the hull. We're talking about rebuilding the inside. As long as we can determine it's feasible, then we'll work up a complete plan and then take her up and down the coast, trans-Atlantic, Europe, around the world - wherever we can generate demand. This would be a one-off product, and I think people would sail on the ship wherever we would go."

Dated May 21, 2006
http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=1664
Excerpt:
Mr. Lim talked about the power of friendship that was required to see NCL America through to this point. Interestingly, he noted that NCL America's next project would be the refurbishment and relaunching of the S.S. United States, an American-flagged ship currently in wet-dock in Philadelphia.

What has NCL been doing, and how much has been the bill?
From http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org...cyUpdate2.html
Excerpts:
NCL is paying some $500,000 per year for docking fees, insurance, security and other expenses as stewards of the SS United States. Generally speaking, sitting water aboard the ship is pumped at least twice per month, but more frequently as weather conditions dictate.
NCL generously made available to the Conservancy recent underwater footage of the ship that the company had commissioned to assess the hull's condition. The video showed a layer of sea grass growing on the hull but otherwise the hull appeared remarkably free of marine growth. Of particular interest to NCL was the point at which vertical hull plating met the keel plates. Apparently the hull condition appeared promising enough to warrant a dry-docking and further direct inspection.

NCL has bene spending resources upon the SS US. Let's hope they release their plans for her soon.
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Old 09-26-2006, 02:17 PM
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Ron,

oops - you forgot to include NCL's most recent announcement in regards to their expansion plans [sic] for NCL America:

Dated September 7th, 2006
http://www.ncl.com/news/pr/pr090706.htm
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NCL’s President and CEO, Colin Veitch, said: "[...] Our U.S. flag start-up costs have obscured, for the past two years, the attractive financial returns on the international fleet of ships that we have built since Star Cruises bought NCL. All our growth from now on will be in this strongly profitable sector of our fleet[...]"

Hmm - so no further growth for NCL America, I guess. No further NCL America growth = no addition of the "United States" to the NCL America fleet = no reconstruction of the "United States".
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Old 09-26-2006, 04:39 PM
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Thank you for pointing that out and saving me the trouble, Rauol!

Does anyone have a picture of the SSUS?
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I have many photos of the United States I just don't know how to transfer them to this site so if you would like to have me post them tell me please!
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Hello- Just wanted to correct something. Thankfully NCL DOES NOT OWN THE SS UNITED STATES WHOLLY- They only hold a promissory note to the actual owners- The Cantor Family. With all the lies NCL has been getting away with so far that is regarding the SS NORWAY. I would not beleive one word they say regarding either the SSUS or the SSI. They only wanted those two ships to be able to get the NCL America approved.
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Old 09-27-2006, 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by Raoul Fiebig:
Ron,

oops - you forgot to include NCL's most recent announcement in regards to their expansion plans [sic] for NCL America:

Dated September 7th, 2006
http://www.ncl.com/news/pr/pr090706.htm
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NCL’s President and CEO, Colin Veitch, said: "[...] Our U.S. flag start-up costs have obscured, for the past two years, the attractive financial returns on the international fleet of ships that we have built since Star Cruises bought NCL. All our growth from now on will be in this strongly profitable sector of our fleet[...]"

Hmm - so no further growth for NCL America, I guess. No further NCL America growth = no addition of the "United States" to the NCL America fleet = no reconstruction of the "United States".
As I wrote earlier, NCLA is going to have to turn higher profits before you'll see anything done with the SS US. Two of the last three ships built were for NCLA. Now, it appears the tetter has totter the other way, with four or five of the next ships being built for NCL.
By the end of 2010, will NCL need more ships, or NCLA? Let's not give up hope so quickly.......
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Old 09-27-2006, 02:25 AM
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987654321,

you can create a photo album by clicking on "New" in the blue menu bar on top of this page and then on "Photo Album". This will create a new thread.

If you would rather have the photos included in this thread here, they have to be uploaded to a web space first. If you don't have own web space, I can offer my (unlimited) photo web space. Send me the pictures by e-mail (r.fiebig@gmx.net) and I will upload and add them here, if you like.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:34 AM
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OK... to unburden the SS Norway/France thread... I'll move my thoughts on the SSUS over to this thread. Perhaps, as many have suggested, it's time to move attention slowly from the virtually hopeless situation of saving the Norway to the less hopeless, but still grim-looking, task of saving the SS United States.

Where and how should we begin the effort?? Suggestions welcome!
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:38 AM
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SSUS_NJ,

I really worry about the future prospects for SS United States.
The two organizations set up to help preserve her, though well intentioned, seem to have no clear plan about saving her.
The bottom line is that it's going to take money to buy and preserve her should NCL give up on her. Neither organization has the sufficient funds to do this.
What is needed is a campaign similiar to what Lee Iacocca started to restore the Statue of Liberty. This ship, carrying our country's name, should be given the attention it deserves and corporate sponsorship should be developed to incur proper funding for her restoration and preservation.
As much as I'd like to see her sailing the seas again, I'd be satisfied to have her preserved as a static display for future generations to enjoy and marval at.
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