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Old 01-03-2008, 12:49 PM
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Hi all,
We've been discussing why there isn't any East Coast cruises in the industry? Something that maybe hits Bermuda or something to fill the out of the US requirement, but a cruise that hits a handful of US cities along the coast? Same could be asked for the South. Something that hits Texas, New Orleans, Mobile, etc. I see that Princess is going to try the west coast this year.
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Royal Caribbean has Northeast coast cruises which include Boston, and New England
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:03 AM
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I've seen those Canada trips and such, but it would make sense to go to the main East Coast ports to visit, and maybe some of the more historic harbors. There is an easy week of travels to see up that coast line. The could hit the Bahama's and be good to go on the gambling part of things.
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I guess we could have the Carnival Amelia Earhart or the Royal Caribbean Avenger.
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The simple answer is that the logistics involved to meet the requirements of the Passenger Services Act make this routing impractical for the cruise lines. Several lines will run these as repositioning cruises, but not as regular trips.
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Old 01-05-2008, 03:58 PM
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Hi Lisa,
Can you expand on your answer?
"the logistics involved to meet the requirements of the Passenger Services Act make this routing impractical for the cruise lines."
There are a good handful of ships that leave the Northeast (New York), etc, and go down to Bermuda or in the Caribbean. What would the difference be for a ship to leave Miami and go up the coast, only to return to Miami, same for from New York? What is the Passenger Services Act?
Princess is experimenting with West Coast "Sampler" cruises in 08/09. Seems like the same could be done in the East or South and be more interesting for sure. Just seems like a strange option not to have considering the year round nature of cruises in the east.
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All I know is it is a complicated mess of a law!

It is a huge issue currently with Hawaii cruises pending a rule change, or new interpretation. Read here.

For some more info. Click here.

It is also a very outdated law. Most people in the travel industry and port cities would like it to be repealed or overhauled.

Here is another informative article.

It is hard to understand, at least for me. I have never figured out why it is such a big deal for Hawaii cruises from CA, and no big deal to cruise from the east coast to Key West? Unless it has to do with the distance of the foreign port visited.

I would love an east coast cruise, or a west coast cruise for that matter! Sorry for so many links, but I thought they may help understand this complicated issue.

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And then there is also the appeal for such a cruise itinerary. If there was a market for it, I'd think the cruise lines would be lobbying to get approval from Congress to change the law.

There have been several smaller cruise lines (U.S. flagged) that did cruises up and down the east coast and these have mostly failed. American Cruise Lines still does it, but they aren't raking in record profits. If you can't fill up a small ship, you aren't going to commit a larger asset to the idea.
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Hi Eric. I'm happy to elaborate. The Passenger Services Act regulates the transport of passengers between U.S. ports by non-U.S.-flagged ships. It is often confused with the Jones Act, that applies to cargo, not people.

Dwayne provided some excellent links, including my favorite, the one by former SeaLetter columnist Alan Walker.

The reasons the logistics would be complicated come down to three key phrases: "nearby foreign port," "distant foreign port," and probably most importantly in this situation, "no permanent disembarkation." What that means is that any itinerary run by a foreign-flagged vessel (which most lines run) cannnot allow any passengers to end their cruise before the route allowed under the PSA is complete. In other words, if an itinerary requires a nearby foreign port, and the cruise is scheduled to end in New York, a passenger cannot leave the ship for good in Baltimore. This cuts the potential passenger base down considerably.

As Dave mentioned, a couple of U.S.-flagged companies do these routes seasonally. There just isn't the demand for more frequency. If there was, NCL America might have placed one of its ships on the East Coast rather than having them all on the Hawai'i run.

Regarding the Princess "Coastal Voyages," these are repositioning cruises before and after the ships' Alaska season. There are only two trips that hit more than one U.S. port, one in the spring, and one in autumn. And, they either start or end in Vancouver. We see some here on the East Coast after the Canada/New England season, typically starting in Montreal. Again, these are one-time repositioning voyages.

Sorry for the lengthy response...it's a complicated subject.
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Thanks Lisa and others. You are all been very informative. It sure is interesting how so many old laws sure play tricks with the cruise lines. There is so much out there to enjoy though.
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