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Dwayne 08-01-2010 07:13 PM

New cruise safety legislation has been signed. You can read about it HERE.

macmom111 08-02-2010 11:09 AM

I think this move is long over due.
I still think that cruising is probably the safest it can be problems do arise.
glad to see them doing something.

penny3333 08-02-2010 12:13 PM

I'm glad but yet wonder how much it will actually help. Most of the "over boards" are suicide. There have been some suspicious deaths, but not on the cruise lines side. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard of a cruise line not cooperating 100%. It is a sad statement on our societal woes.

wooddon 08-02-2010 05:18 PM

I agree with you Penny. These ships are in international waters and the cruise lines have always co-operated and help in any way possible whenever something happens. Almost all the cruises we have been on are over half from Canada or Europe, so this law does not help us. It's just something for the US President to get his picture in the news again.

macmom111 08-02-2010 05:48 PM

I agree with Penny that most over boards are suicides. But I have read about assults on cruise ship by crew members on guest that are not reported and the cruise lines are not cooperative.

penny3333 08-03-2010 10:58 AM

That's true macmom111, however, I still wonder about those, too. I went with a "friend" on a cruise where she was flaunting herself to the crew the entire time. In fact, she kicked me out of our cabin one night so she could entertain. I didn't remain friendly after that.

I know that there are true assault cases, but that normally means that crew member has lost his job and is put off in the next port.

I do hope the legislation does help bring the criminals to justice. However, wooddon brings up an excellent point. What about Europeans and Canadians? Will the FBI help them, too?

Jill SC 08-05-2010 12:28 PM

I think this legislation can only be enforced in US waters since that is the only place where US has authority. Legal authority depends on where a crime happens, even if it is a US citizen. If a crime happens at a resort in Mexico, the Mexican authorities deal with it. Same if the ship is in Mexican waters. And since most ships are registered under other countries, they have no obligation to follow the other safety laws. The US can ban the ships from US ports but they would lose too much money. And most cruisers would still go whether these changes are made or not.
Luckily, the cruise lines also don't want to lose money, so they will voluntarily make the safety changes.

Dave 08-05-2010 03:10 PM

The law is not voluntary. All cruise ships (as defined within the law) which "embark or disembark passengers in the United States" have to comply. There are civil and criminal penalties for non-compliance by both the cruise line or individual employees.

Maritime law is very complex. Prior to this law, the FBI had juridiction for crimes committed on the high seas if the ship had left or was returning to a U.S. port. The cruise ships will comply because it is cheaper than being denied entry into U.S. waters. The flag of convenience for the ship doesn't matter if the cruise line maintains corporate offices in the U.S. And they all do.

Now, if an assault occurs while a ship is in Cozumel, of course Mexican police have jurisdiction. However the cruise ship is still required to document the assault and report it to the FBI and U.S. Coast Guard.

It might be helpful to read a more detailed overview of the law, such as this one

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