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Dave 12-26-2009 09:20 AM

As a result of the attempt to destroy Northwest flight 253 as it landed at Detroit, new rules will be imposed which will limit passenger and crew movements. TSA has yet to post them, but Air Canada has announced them on their website. Read about it HERE

Additionally, enhanced screening of passengers and carry-on luggage will occur at gates. More patrols by drug sniffing dogs will be noticeable. Expect to see increased secondary screenings at main TSA checkpoints.

I wonder what will happen when someone says they "gotta go" 30 minutes prior to landing? Will they be escorted to the restroom or have to chance wetting their pants?

Dave 12-26-2009 10:10 AM

The UK has invoked tighter rules for passengers on flights to the U.S. Once again, they are reducing passenger carry-on limits to one item total. Plus, all passengers will undergo a second screening prior to boarding the flight. Read it HERE

Dave 12-26-2009 10:21 AM

According to Alaska Air's website there are also new restrictions for flights from Canada and Mexico into the mainland U.S. Everyone will be searched at the gate. Reports from Canadian news outlets say this will include "physical pat downs" of all passengers. Read the report from Alaska Air HERE

Also - I've read reports where TSA at DFW is confiscating any personal containers of liquids - regardless of size. In other words, if you have a 3 ounce bottle of shampoo you poured at home it is being taken. But if you have a 3 ounce bottle of shampoo from your room at the Sheraton it is okay. My, that will help reduce incidents. The terrorists will never think of using bottles with labels on them.

LisaP 12-26-2009 10:43 AM


I wonder what will happen when someone says they "gotta go" 30 minutes prior to landing? Will they be escorted to the restroom or have to chance wetting their pants?
This has generally been the case for flights to Washington, D.C. (must remain in your seat for last hour of flight). As it's only a 90-minute flight for us, and you can't really get out of your seat for the first 20 minutes for safety reasons, you pretty much had to take care of this before boarding. I suppose they make some sort of announcement on longer flights.

Dave 12-26-2009 11:09 AM

I generally never use airplane lavatories if I can avoid it. I was thinking of the international passenger who goes to sleep after leaving London and wakes up half an hour before landing with a full bladder. I guess they *will* have to make a "last call" announcement for lavatory use. But what's the point of the one hour rule? What happens when someone mixes up a bomb two hours before landing? I think I read this latest nut had been in his seat for over an hour.

TSA has always frustrated me with their reactionary approach. On our sister forum FlyerTalk, a commonly used phrase for the TSA approach is "security theater".

"No personal items in your lap for the last hour": so I assume this includes no puzzle books or comics for the kiddies? Put that paperback book up, sir. I assume they'll have to gather up all the pillows and blankets too. Trays cover up the lap so I guess they will have to be stowed too. We'll see how strict this one is when reports start to trickle in from flyers over the next few days.

All we can hope for is that this is all just a stop-gap response and they'll adjust it soon. If not then I just saw my range for driving to a cruise increase by another 200 miles.

MCPayne 12-26-2009 03:08 PM

Well I understand that the TSA is putting safety first, but I'm guessing that the "no personal items in your lap for the last hour" approach may need to be adjusted. Some people may get bored just sitting doing nothing for the last hour.

Personally, I wouldn't mind just reading a book, but we'll have to see how that goes.

Dave 12-26-2009 03:39 PM

I wonder how the no personal items in the lap is being interpreted for babes in arms?

I've been looking around at various reports this afternoon. Some say that flight crews are imposing the clear lap rule for the entire flight in some cases, and this on flights that last longer than 60 minutes.

I recall a Seinfeld episode where Elaine and her boyfriend "Puddy" were flying from Europe to NY, and he was sitting there staring into space for hours. She asked if he was bored and he said no. Actually I am one who can do that. My military training probably has much to do with it. I don't need to talk, read, or otherwise interact with the environment. Just sit there and breath. For me the limit is probably an hour, and I imagine for most it is much less than that.

Meanwhile, published reports about the location of the explosive materials on this terrorist's body portend increased physical checks of sensitive areas, particularly for men.

Dave 01-11-2010 01:38 PM

Great Article. This is what we need to be doing instead of knee-jerk reactions like removing shoes.

macmom111 01-11-2010 03:14 PM

if the TSA eliminates all carry ons we will be paying more for the luggage and security taxes then we are paying for the ticket. I think the airlines are going to have to drop the luggage fee.

wooddon 01-11-2010 07:15 PM

Tell us about these rules. We will not be flying to the U.S. ever again unless they relax these carry on rules. What we do not understand, coming back to Canada from the U.S. we can still bring on board two carry on, so what is the big deal!!!! Also, as we live near Buffalo, lots of my friends are driving to Buffalo and flying out of there as there is no hassle of this carry on or even secondary checking. This is just going to hurt tourists from going to the U.S. Our next trip will be to Europe or China. Also, why are they hitting the carry on, as this guy did not have a carry on or even any check luggage, sorry but we do not understand all the issues.

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