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Old 01-24-2006, 04:13 PM
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The ongoing example of the Queen Mary in Long Beach may discourage some. It's in bankruptcy now.

It appears many would rather stay in a much larger hotel room at a much lower price than in a small cabin aboard any ship no matter how famous it is, if given a choice.

At the reduced price, I wonder who may buy her?
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:41 AM
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I don't know of a single instance where a permanently docked passenger ship has been able to make a go of it. I guess you can argue that the Queen Mary has survived, but I'm not so sure she was ever financially viable. Then, of course, there was the Oriana, the Maasdam, the Queen Elizabeth, etc., all of which either went bankrupt or were deemed unfit for repair when nature (storms) came calling.

Seems to me the only financially viable option is to operate the Norway on her remaining boilers as a casino ship as this would keep repair costs to a minimum. As a casino ship, the cruising speed would be a moot point, and therefore, the limited machinery would not be a factor. You would also think that fuel consumption could be more easily controlled in this manner as well. It's not inconceivable that the ship could travel to international waters and basically sit idle until time to return to port. Also, in this new role, the passenger accommodations,as well as required crewmembers (room stewards), would not be as needed, and therefore further reducing operating costs. THe revamped passenger areas could be turned into further gaming areas that could possibly increase her revenues. With her size, she would be somewhat of a first in this area of the world. In any event, at least the ship would be bringing in some $ as opposed to sitting around rusting away.
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:45 PM
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Yes, ships are very high-maintenance things that require a lot of care lest they slip into shabbiness. A nearby marine museum had a well-loved ferry presented to them; when another vessel they considered more desirable became available, they "threw away" the ferry -- gave it to a dive club to be scuttled as a dive site! People were disgusted with the museum, obviously, which has since let the second vessel -- a retired coast guard buoy tender/light icebreaker -- deteriorate into an eyesore. More on our main topic, I am hopeful that the ROTTERDAM will be embraced by the Dutch and will succeed as a static display. Let's face it: the QM and QE were never quite as dear to Americans as they were to the Brits, which may explain the vicissitudes of one and the utter failure of the other. The French apparently have come to regard the FRANCE as a lost national treasure (or at least say they have). Maybe mooring her in a French port would be successful. In any case it would test the declarations we hear.
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I hear rumours here in Goa that the SS Norway is not sailing to Alang, Gujarat to be scrapped, but has been acquired by a party in Mumbai and is being relocated to Goa to be used as a floating hotel, casino. This I hear from the purchaser. Has anyone any information on this to confirm. I do hope that these rumours are true.
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This would be great news!
I Hope it is true!
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Old 01-25-2006, 05:46 PM
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SS Norway/France must be saved/put to good use. In an age where cruise ships look like wedding cakes the Norway shines with her fantastic profile & classic lines.Maybe with her sale price redused she might get a new boiler or be a hotel/casino ship ,anyting is better than the muddy beaches of Alang. She is the last true Atlantic liner, to have her srapped would be a true injustice for future generations.
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Well said, Andrea!!
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:18 PM
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What are the Norways interiors like at present? she has been in Malaysia for some time now has anything bin changed or removed? apart from her name between her funnels. does she still have a maintenance crew aboard?I know she did at one stage.
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:36 AM
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Hey there Andrea Doria....(I like the name....my parents sailed on the Doria's sister ship, Cristoforo Colombo, many times)....

Anyway....my "speculation" on the condition of the interior....

As far as the general condition...I doubt anything has changed in the few years she has been "laid up". There is plenty of dust and cobwebs, and I'm sure there must be some sort of "sun damage" to any interior fabric/carpeting/wallpaper, etc. directly exposed to the sun. In general, it is probably like someone turned back the hands of time. The majority of things are exactly in place like they were in May of 2003. After all...it hasn't even been three years since she's been laid up. Perhaps all the cabin beds are bare and mattresses turned up, etc...chairs stacked on top of tables in the bars/resturants/salons...and other general requirements for long term storage...but NCL/Star had all intensions of selling her and the related contents "as is". There was no auction/sale of the contents within the Norway (YET). If sold for scrap, the breakers unload all the items and sell them a-la-carte in roadside stands, or to collectors and historians such as Peter Knego. Peter writes of his visit to Alang a few years ago. He was getting a tour of a beached liner (I forget which one)...and in the distance...he hears piano playing. On the opposite side of the ship, a scrap worker is "trying out" a grand piano left in one of the liner's salons. Amazing what is left behind...what a waste. He also confirms that the contents of many of the passenger liners doomed at Alang look like the day the liner stopped embarking paying passengers. I bought an ottoman from Peter from the ship Franconia, which was beached at Alang in 2004. He was there making his documentary "On the Road to Alang" (very good video by the way) and he brought back two huge container loads (tractor trailer size) of artifacts from the passenger ships beached there at the time. I sailed on Cunard's Franconia from NYC to Bermuda in 1969...and contacted Peter about purchasing one of the ottomans he "salvaged" from her, which was shown on his video being unloaded at his home from the trailers. The ottoman was an original from the 1950's...and stayed on that ship from then, until her demise at Alang in 2004. To me...it is a treasure! Not to promote Peter's website....but he has a great site (www.midshipcentury.com) where you can browse (and purchase) all the "stuff" he's salvaged from the liners beached at Alang he's been able to aquire.

As far as the condition of the interior and the chances reusing the existing ammenities as a liner/hotel/casino/whatever in the future.....

If you have read any of cruisereviews.com actual passenger reviews of the Norway prior to her tragic accident in Miami....you will notice that many of them use the terms
"refurbished", "updating", "outdated", "tired" "worn" and so on and so forth. They praise the crew, cuisine, and onboard entertainment.....but as far as the general condition of the ship's interior....it could probably use an overhaul, which, at this stage of the game would be a requirement for any future financial success. As mentioned in previous posts, the least expensive venture would be a floating hotel/casino or permanantly moored tourist attraction...the most expensive, a complete gutting and re-built with a modern cruise-ship interior, while attempting to retain the classic lines of her exterior. Either way would be fine with me.
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Hi there Keith your parents are very lucky to have been able to have had sailed on an Italian Line ship (something i'll never be able to do.) I know to refit her with diesels like QE2 would be costly, she would still have to comply with new solas regs so does that mean every classic ship inc QE2 have to stop sailing or comply? Or would a slow moving casino ship not have to comply.Personally I'd love to be able to cruise on her,as a newly refurbished SS Norway or SS France but if staying on her as a static hotel is what is to come of her than I'll be there.The thing i can't get my head around is the French (they're a patriotic bunch) get so teary at the thought of thier beloved France going to scrap, yet no one there is ready to do anything about it, to see her moored at LeHarve like she was originally intended would be so fitting and would bring a tear to my eye and I'm not French.
 
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