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Old 04-19-2005, 07:48 AM
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Tony, I don't think that anyone was finding fault with your post at all. Some of us are just so fed up with the way the media hypes everything. Here is a great example.

The Pacific Ocean had a huge winter swell that got all of the major breaks in the northern Pacific maxing out. I am a surfer and keenly interested in such things. Hawaii closed out and Mavs by SFO was huge. The swell was supposed to hit the San Diego area during an extremely high tide, so all the weather men were calling for coastal flooding because of the combined swell and tide. It was big news.

Our local news channels were interviewing "experts” about the potential damage, they had maps drawn up and were trying to guess the areas that would be most affected, and so on.

Well the swell was too steep to get into San Diego. I spent the entire day at Swamis (a break that could handle a large swell) and it never got over 5 feet.

On the six o'clock news the weather guy was disappointed that there wasn't more damage and then showed pictures of the massive surf that had pounded the coastline. The picture they showed was taken at Cortez Bank, some 110 miles due west of San Diego and I am not so sure that it wasn't old footage.

And on it goes. So, I am suspect of anything that has to do with the way the media handles any cruise incident. The cynicism directed at the message was based on this reality, not your post.

I am glad that there wasn't more damage and that more people were not hurt in the incident.

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Old 04-19-2005, 05:43 PM
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Hi All:

Thanks Tom for clarifying on my behalf. I do have a bad habit of getting a bit cynical when it comes to any news reporting and my temper will flare a bit.

Tony, I hope you realize what Tom said is true, we're directing our criticism at what Benjamin Hoff, and author of "The Tao of Pooh" and "The Te of Piglet" terms "the negative news media".

I will close with something interesting I heard through Paul from his mother. She has been following this incident knowing Paul and I have sailed on the Dawn before and are booked on her in December and she saw that the one woman who was really bashing NCL was not even affected (other than the fact that she was on board) and that she left the ship in Charleston. She's complaining that NCL is not offering her any compensation but she was not in an affected cabin and since the cruise continued after the delay I figure NCL doesn't owe her a thing. Anyway, the person who was bashing her is a gentleman that was actually injured in the incident. He reports that she was blowing it out of proportion and misrepresenting the whole thing to try to gain some advantage (and no doubt to get her name in the papers!) This gentleman went on to say that NCL handled everything extremely well and compensated him with a free cruise when in fact he would have been happy with just a partial credit for the cruise he was on.

As I say, this is third hand information but if true just goes to show how nuts people can get if they think they can make a scene. My life is far too busy to bother with such nonsense! Maybe it's my background in the travel business and my training as an aviator but I would have looked at the whole thing as an adventure. That's just me though...Paul would have had a totally different view!

Anyway, enough rambling from me, take care all.

Darryl

PS: Paul takes exception to what I said and says in fact that after the initial fright he would have turned it into an adventure too! After 3 years of marriage (just this past wednesday) he still continues to surprise me!
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Old 04-20-2005, 08:43 AM
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Good Thing it didn't sink, or the headlines would have read: NORWEIGAN DAWN DOWN!
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Cute David!

Let's hope that never happens! She's a lovely thing and still so young!

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Now here is some interesting information about the incident. Apparently the Dawn was returning late for a paid for advertising slot on the Apprentice television show. This kind of changes the situation in my mind. Here is a link to the article.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/entertain...20160009990008

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Old 04-21-2005, 10:14 AM
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OK Tom , as I LOL , I jokingly ask if this is a good source, and if so, do you think the Helsman ( I am not a sailor but hope I thats right) will hear Trumps now famous words due to damage I see in pics on Grandeur's crash.
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the source of this story is the Bergen record, a midsized newspaper in Nothern New Jersey. This is my daily newspaper, and I can say its a very reliable source.

so what has become of this story? Did NCL really alter their itenary for the trump appearance..I would be furious if I was on this cruise and found out about this.
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snowdenj,

from what I have heard, it has been confirmed by NCL that the ship was to be five hours early in NYC for this shoot. However, NCL claims that all passengers were informed long before the cruise that the Nassau call would have to be cancelled.

Also, NCL heavily denies any reports that the ship was ordered to be in NYC as early as intended by any means. This is backed by the fact that the ship was traveling very slowly at the time it was hit by the wave and it would have likely missed the intended ETA, anyway.

So, honestly I do not see this connection between that TV shoot and the incident with the wave. Of course one could say: "Well, if they'd been their five hours later, they wouldn't have encountered the wave." Most likely, yes - but that is something NCL could not have known. The pure nature of natural events (I'm not using the term disaster here!) is that it is not possible to predict them.
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Dear Raoul:
Let me start by saying I was on the Norwegian Dawn with my husband and 2 children, when the freak wave hit. We booked this cruise with 4 other families (8 adults and 5 children) six months ago. In reply to your comments of April 25th, I would like to correct you on a few things: first: we received notification from NCL on Thursday, April 7th,(3 days prior to departing) that our itinery was being changed, we needed to be back in New York five hours earlier than scheduled and we would not be visiting Nassau; the only reason we were given: "due to an unscheduled event aboard the ship". Might I add that while boarding, several passengers were just being made aware of this change. Not only was Nassau eliminated, but the remaining intinery changed as well:
Original itinery: Pt. Canaveral on Tuesday
Miami on Wednesday
Great Stirrup Cay on Thursday
Nassau on Friday depart at 2:00 pm
CHANGED itinery: Pt. Canaveral on Tuesday
Great Stirrup Cay on Wednesday
Miami on Thursday-depart at 1:00 am Friday

Our shore excursions were all compromised by these changes. Our tour guide in Miami told us everything was overbooked because it wasn't the Dawn's normal porting day. We couldn't go parasailing at the private island, yet, next to our ship was another ship, and guess what those passengers were doing - parasailing! Now also take notice that we departed from Miami 13 hours earlier than when we would have been leaving Nassau. Does that make any sense????????
Had we not had to be back in New York, for this "unscheduled event" we would not have been in that vacinity of the ocean. No, you cannot second guess mother nature, however, I am very displeased with NCL's decision to pay over $1 million for a few minutes of fame, and compromise our whole vacation. If this has been scheduled long before the cruise, why weren't we given more notice? And with the modern technology, I cannot fathom that no one was aware what was happening with those pressure systems in the Atlantic. I truly feel that the captain knew why we needed to be back in New York hours earlier.
Second, the captain slowed this ship down to 4 knots only after realizing we were being bounced around the ship at 25 knots! On Friday evening around 7:30 pm we were at dinner, when we experienced a loud crash; glasses tumbled on the tables, the champagne bottle on our table fell and broke, you could hear glass breaking in the kitchen area of the Aqua restaurant; because our children were in the kid's program, we raced to get them. Enroute to their location, a steel ceiling tile fell out of the ceiling to the floor between me and two other mothers. Bottles fell from the bars, and crashed to the floor. Hours later, around 1 am tables fell over in the casino. The whole night was sleepless and yes, we were all scared. Please do not make light of this voyage. It was not pleasureable for anyone on board.
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landluvr,

it is surely not my intention to "make light" of your trip - certainly not. I'm sure it was a horrifying experience.

However, parts of the mass media have created a huge story from this, up to an extent where I can no longer stop thinking that they've gone crazy. In my humble opinion - as horrifying as the situation must have been for you, your loved ones, your fellow passengers, and last but not least the crew - it is highly arrogant and a hideous disgrace to compare this incident with the sinking of the "Titanic", a disaster which claimed more than 1,500 lives.

Also, on the very same day "Norwegian Dawn" was hit by the freak wave, a coach carrying people bound for a Mediterranean cruise crashed in Switzerland, killing twelve. I'm sure few people have heard about this tragic accident.

If what you write is correct, i.e. that NCL did not advise about the itinerary change as far in advance as they claim, that's certainly by no means okay.

Actually, I've heard from a German passenger which sailed on "Norwegian Crown" in South America earlier this year who was given a note during embarkation that she was free to cancel the cruise (while on the pier already!) due to a Norovirus outbreak on the cruise before. Most ridiculous after you've traveled to the end of the earth from Europe!
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