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Old 05-20-2006, 02:48 PM
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I have a question (or comment, perhaps) regarding the recent disappearance of a 21-year-old man which doesn't seem to come up in the news or elsewhere. Since he was videotaped on RCCL's security cameras, and since these cameras supposedly exist for the safety of the passengers, why didn't someone in security notice that he was alone on the deck at 2:15 AM and see that he had gone overboard immediately? Or do they just tape these areas so they can review the tapes when there is a problem and it's too late? It would seem strange to set up such a sophisticated system and not have someone monitor it. Does anyone else agree?
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Old 05-21-2006, 07:21 PM
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You are making the assumption that he went overboard seconds after the image was captured. That was simply the last image they had of him. Certainly if staff saw something happen to anyone, they would immediately respond...hence the use of security cameras.

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Old 05-23-2006, 01:45 PM
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With the possible exception of the casino, security cameras onboard are not monitored by human eyes. Their images go to videotape where they can be studied later in the event of an "incident". In fact it took hours of studying the tapes before they identified the young man stumbling around on deck 4. They watched another two hours of tape before they watched him walk over to the railing and go over the side. This is the same type of video system used by your local bank/convenience store/Wal-Mart. I think it would be unreasonable to expect the cruise lines to add 20-30 additional crew members just to monitor security cameras 24/7. Talk about boredom...Talk about Big Brother.

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Old 05-24-2006, 11:43 AM
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Big Brother is a fact of life. Every building you go in and pass out of these days are photographing us. Security officials are constantly monitoring activities at the airports. My brother-in-law owns a security business which includes the monitoring of security TV monitors. It takes all of one person with numerous screens that change pictures to a program of cameras enterend into the sequence. This is how store security works. When the security officer notices something odd or suspcious, he can turn the monitor for the camera to stay consistantly on that particular subject to monitor the actions. Therefore, I believe if The cruise line security officer had noticed something odd taking place he could of dispatched another officer to investigate the persons actions. Once there the officer would have been able to determine the condition the person was in and advised or taken appropriate action. Our lives will be subjected to big brothers eyes for the foreseeable future.
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So you are suggesting that a single camera operator watching random shots from dozens and dozens of cameras would have sent security to "see how this guy is doing" just because he is walking around the ship early in the morning? Heck, at 2am I'm still in the casino. There are a large number of people still about at that time.

Aside from actually seeing the moment that he went over the rail, there really is nothing suspicious about someone walking on a ship. And even if the odds had it that the correct camera was on the monitor at the time he went over board, the odds are there would have been nothing the crew could have done. The fall would have killed him or at least knocked him unconscious. By the time they got the ship stopped/turned and found him he would have been drowned or worse, the ship would have ran over him...

Unfortunate as this incident is, there is really no difference in someone committing suicide on a cruise ship versus on land. Except the cruise industry gets blamed for it.
Which I don't think is right. Even if it was accidental (maybe he was drunk and stumbled over the rail) the same comment applies.
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First, let me say I am not blaming anyone for this incident. My heart goes out to the young man's family; he may have been at fault, but we all know we've done some pretty stupid things when we were 21 and most of us were just fortunate enough to live through them. That said, I will say that since the cruise ship does have cameras monitoring outside areas, why wouldn't they take the extra step and report any suspicious activity? In this case, the young man was alone outside at 2:15, apparently not in good shape, and with all the staff there are on cruise ships what harm would it have done to send someone over there to check on him? Quite honestly, I'm surprised there isn't anyone patrolling the outside areas late at night for just this purpose. And, as far as seeing him go overboard, I disagree that there would be nothing they could do. I'm sure all ships have immediate emergency "man overboard" procedures; they may or may not have helped in this case, but at least there would have been some chance for the poor soul. I would almost bet that with all the recent bad press, from this point on all cruise lines will implement more diligent procedures in monitoring outside areas. It's a travesty that they can have eyes watching their money in the casinos while a passenger plummets to his death outside!
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[quote]Originally posted by Jim C.:
So you are suggesting that a single camera operator watching random shots from dozens and dozens of cameras would have sent security to "see how this guy is doing" just because he is walking around the ship early in the morning?

That is exactly what I'm saying. I work in a large office building and in our lobby is a security person watching 6 monitors that are divided into 4 pictures each. They continually change monitoring dozens of camera's throughout the inside and outside of the building and if something is out of the ordinary. They can enlarge the screen and get a better view of the what may or may not be happining. As another poster said, they watch every inch of the casino.
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In light of all this. If I see someone obviously with way too much drink in him/her, having a hard time. I am going to tell someone on the ship and they, I know have much better experience as to what to do. But I will speak up. On another board, people mention seeing him, obviously drunk laying on the deck chair. Yes, some people, I'm sure love sleeping in deck chairs after midnight. But at least I'll say something, so just in case, someone can check ....sometimes, just by asking, "Are you OK?"
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