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Old 12-05-2006, 04:19 AM
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I will ask a slightly different question for the "wasted $8000" comment. If 25 folks paid $8000, then you got a heck of a deal at $320 a piece. I have wasted a lot more than $320 before without getting the luxuries of a cruise ship at your disposal. Maybe the other 16 that were not quarantined should chip in and help refund the other 9 their money. Stuff happens, just chalk it up to bad luck and go on.
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If we were to lock everyone in a shopping mall for seven days, the percentage of people getting sick would be much higher than that of a cruise. Also on any given day, the percentage of sickness is probably greater in our local schools, but they do not have to report any numbers. Best advice is to be sensible, take basic precautions and have a great cruise! It would be a good policy for the cruiselines to allow sick persons to reschedule or get a cruise credit if they have a doctors written diagnosis/recommendation. The cruise insurance process does address that but is really cumbersome regarding illness...I had to file a claim when my dad went to the hospital, later died, and the required information was really inconvenient to obtain, although the claim was paid without protest.
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The ship is Freedom of the Seas and they are not telling the whole story. We had 25 in our group and 9 got sick. The ruined some of their vacation because they quarintened them to their room for the rest of the cruise. The staff told us there were around 1200 to 1500 sick. The staff also told us there were 1300 sick the week before we left on Nov 26. They have a problem but won't admit it. There are 25 of us who will never use RCC again. We wasted $8,000.00 on this trip.
I just checked the CDC website and it was not the Freedom that had norovirus on back to back cruise. It was the Serenade of the Seas, 11/18 - 11/25. On the Serenade, 101 of 2241 passsengers (4.51%) and 3 of 848 crew (.35%) were sickened. On the Freedom, 338 of 3823 passengers (8.84%) and 46 of 1402 (3.28%) crew were sickened. That's a far cry from over a thousand getting sick. Of course, if you're one who gets sick, it makes for a terrible cruise but I wouldn't stop cruising because of it. If I did that, I'd never fly because I get sick every single time I fly.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:08 AM
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This nonsense really get on my nerves. Some people want to believe that the cruise ships are unsanitary garbage scows and that is why people get sick. The truths are: 1. cruise ships are perhaps the cleanest public conveyances you can find. 2. Noro virus is caused by someone with it passing it on to others by contact. This is an exponential thing which will tend to hit people with less-than-rigorous personal sanitation standards (i.e. those who don't wash their hands after using the restroom, or when handling buffet utensils, or otherwise frequently during the day, etc.). 3. Given the confined nature of a ship, the illness is easier spread to the specific audience of hosts (the passengers and crew) and show up as some sort of outbreak. The fact is that significantly more cases occur every day, everywhere in the world, but tend to appear more random just because the afflicted can "spread out" more than on a ship.

I'd cruise on either the Freedom or the Serenade today with no worries. Of course, I do wash my hands often and also use hand sanitizer whenever it is available.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:32 AM
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Part of our required boarding documents for the Nov'06 HAL cruise was a form upon which we had to declare if we had diarrhea, fever or vomiting in the past 2 weeks. I wonder how many lie so that they do not have to cancel their cruise. The captain did not shake hands with anyone. Carry your own supply of sanitizer for when you are about the ship. An ounce of prevention.....
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Dave, you bring up a very good point by mentioning handling the buffet utensils. I wash my hands well before entering the Windjammer. Plus, after washing my hands I open the restroom door with a paper towel. What good would taking all these precautions prevail if someone with the virus handled the utensils? Wiping your hands with a sanitary wipe just before you eat sounds like the best prevention. Still wash your hands before entering the buffet. I try not to touch the stair railing or other obvious places people touch. Hmmmm... maybe I should invest in sanitary wipe stock.

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In 2002 I bought a really good last minute cruise deal -- leaving in two weeks. on the Amsterdam, Holland America. (12/11/2002 - 12/21/2002)

With in a day or two I found out about the Norovirus outbreak and the ship would be missing a week of cruising for a thorough clean-up. Did not read about the earlier break-outs until I started researching.

Everything was sanitized and constantly being sanitized. All food was being served even the Taco's -- no traveler contact was allowed.

Washing your hands, not touching the bannisters, your nose, drinking a lot of water, etc are the best defenses. Many ships have mandatory hand sanitizers that must be used when entering the ship, buffet lines, etc.

I was a little concerned when I got on the ship, but once I saw how they were always cleaning, make us sanitize our hands before entering the buffet line, etc. I felt that the Cruise Line was doing the best they could.

Really pleased with a letter telling us of the outbreak and how to prevent it from spreading.

Like earlier comments -- Norovirus is a very common ailment and it is only reported by the Cruise Lines. Prevention is the best defense: Washing your hands frequently, not touching the bannisters or other common areas, your nose, and drinking a lot of water.

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On Thanksgiving weekend we had 8 people in the house. Three got sick to a virus ... a typical Norovirus. That means over 40% of my family was struck by this 24 to 48 hour epidemic. And, I couldn't get on news agency to cover it.
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I'll try to get one of our news agencies to visit you, Mamaza
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Maybe Ross Klein will post it on his website.
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